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 Post subject: Re: Hope you guys like this one.
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 6:56 pm 
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Send a soft dog down field into an unyielding KNPV decoy and see how many times it takes until the dog doesn't go down field to bite anymore. Even if there is zero physical injury to the dog the mental pressure from this type of training/biting is enormous.

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Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 7:01 pm 
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Just like palisade v. a-frame.
One has potential for more injury but shows a hell of a lot more about the dog than the other.

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Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 7:02 pm 
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Send any soft dog down field and you will get the same result!!!

We can agree to disagree, have a good night

Kim


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 Post subject: Re: Hope you guys like this one.
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 7:10 pm 
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One last thing before I go, can you show me any tough KNVP dogs at 8 months of age that handle this type of pressure?
I'm sure there are some, please find the video.

Your comment was insulting to a lot of very tough French Ring/Schutzhund dogs, let alone Police/PP dogs.

8 months old, First time under 9mm & 12 gauge under stress, and hidden sleeve


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDV30QHDyVs

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Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 7:26 pm 
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my guess is tough dogs have come from a range of countries and venues. some have never even trialled and are still tough dogs. there is no other way to assess what makes a dog tough without exposing it to such risk, just asking?


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Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 8:16 pm 
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I dunno, when I look at that vid of the first bite, I see the decoy at the point of impact up on one foot, then pivoting his body around his stationary foot about a quarter-turn. This does absorb some impact, and I didn't see the dog get stuffed. I have seen some much more dangerous catches on the sleeve in schutzhund. While I am not disagreeing that the safety of the dog is very important, and I don't like to see a bad catch no matter what discipline, I don't think the frontal attack in this video is a "bad catch".


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 Post subject: Re: Hope you guys like this one.
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 11:12 pm 
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KNPV suit is more safe for dog than sleeve.
The KNPV suit is more flexible than a sleeve and when the impact ocures, the upper cover will move with the dog. In the same time, the sleve is very fix, and the decoy have to move in order to protect the dog. Is the same with Mondioring, French etc bite suits.


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Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 11:28 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Hope you guys like this one.
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 11:41 pm 
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Hi,
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the safety of the dog comes first in training

Yes!
In a trial/competition, rules need to be followed to the letter, but in training ... no need to always put a huge amount of pressure on the dog's neck (not the first dog that got his neck broken in knpv).

KNPV-suit, IPO-sleeve : let me just say that a good decoy is worth gold.

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Jo


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 Post subject: Re: Hope you guys like this one.
Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 12:39 am 
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Thank you for commenting Jo

In case anyone is unaware, Jo is very knowledgeable with KNPV work, and his dog Speedy is an Awesome Bitch!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHs1Ui_z ... lmse6IZ0mA

Kim


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