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 Post subject: Re: dargo and grim
Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:23 am 
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Yes, it is.
Here you are another 2 pictures of Grim:
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This is the source of the pictures:
http://www.working-dog.eu/dogs-details/ ... -straze-CS

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 Post subject: Re: dargo and grim
Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:43 am 
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I found 3 more pictures of Grim. I think they are interesting:
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Grim - 9 years old:


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 Post subject: Re: dargo and grim
Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:36 am 
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These are GREAT pictures of Grim, Guergo. Thanks for posting them. My girl is line-bred 5-4 on him (and 5-5 on Titus z PS) but of course hundreds of other dogs also have Grim apprearing in their pedigrees several times.


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 Post subject: Re: dargo and grim
Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 6:11 am 
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I got it from here:
http://www.grim-z-ps.estranky.cz/fotoal ... m---ruzne/
Aaykay, maybe you will find another excellente pictueres of Grim there. Bont is linebred on Grim 4-4. I notice some things in commom. And maybe his workabilities and strong drives comes from Grim. Maybe Hans will tell this, better. But Bont is an outstanding worker, and this is genetically trait. So I will always be gratefull to JINOPO and to Jiri, to give me this outstanding working dog - Bont.
Grim was no doubt an excellent dog and stud. But I like Dargo also.
This is the magnificent 4th - dogs that I like very, very much from JINOPO's webpage:
http://www.jinopo.cz/video.php?lg=#dargo
Balli, Dargo, Illo and Norbo.
Of coarse I like very much all other dogs on JINOPO webpage, but I was really impressed from these dogs.

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 Post subject: Re: dargo and grim
Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:35 am 
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Grim is one of the most influential dogs in Czech. His descendant Yago Jipo Me was #4 dog in Czech in 2011 and was competing in WUSV in Kiev. There are many other exceptional dopgs from Grim. Famous dogs are over analyzed and often dissed . But they are famous for a reason. Tho say that there are too many dogs in the pedigrees and that may lead to problems from unknown traits I would say that that is a fallacy. All GSDs have Horand von Grafrath and that is not bad. We are using principles of selective breeding and that will help us to take care of problems. Thus I do not understand when people say we have too much of this excellent dog and too much of that exellent dog in our pedigrees. I personally believe that we should be more worry about not so excellent dogs in our pedigrees.

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actually start recognizing Grim line. Grim does not increases bad hips more then most. That was promoted by pedigree thumpers who do not have actual knowledge of the facts who assumed that from Grim's father Ben z Bolfu who has officially C hips. The truth of the matter is that when Ben z Bolfu died the autopsy revealed PERFECT hips. The reason for the mistake in evaluation of Ben's hips as "C" is unknown. Probably clerical error. The fact is that for example Dargo Ha Ja Da - son of Grim was hips improver. But Grim produced slightly above average of bad elbows. That had been bred just about out though, but by introducing Grim more then 2 times it could bring this problem to the surface.
There are concerns for example that Gero z Blatenskeho zamku produced bad hips but in combination with Grim - Dargo ( hip improver) that had been diminished to below average levels.
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 Post subject: Re: dargo and grim
Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:57 am 
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Hans, can we talk to a reversed mask on a sable dog? Is Grim a reversed mask dog?

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 Post subject: Re: dargo and grim
Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:19 am 
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guergo wrote:
I got it from here:
http://www.grim-z-ps.estranky.cz/fotoal ... m---ruzne/
Aaykay, maybe you will find another excellente pictueres of Grim there.


Guergo, thanks for the link. I downloaded all of the pictures. I also found a couple of pictures of Ben z Bolfu that I had never seen before. Thanks for the great find.

Do you happen to know of any place that has more pictures of Titus z PS and Chuligan z PS ?


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Balli, Dargo, Illo and Norbo.


Three of the above 4 dogs (Balli Panta Rei, Dargo Ha Ja Da and Norbo Ben Ju) are in my girl's 3rd generation.....the 4th sire in her 3rd Generation being Pluto z PS. I think I see traces of all of them in her behavior and makeup. She is sharp like Balli Panta Rei's daughter (Yska z JD), who is her grand-mother. Her structure is like Pluto's son, Navar Hronovsky Pramen (as Hans and Jiri confirmed during the seminar), who is her grand-father. I don't know the specifics of Dargo or Norbo to see if any of her actions are originating from them but I am sure some of what she is, is coming from those 2 sires too.

If I decide to breed her, based on the advice I received during the seminar, for her next generation, I might look for a linebreeding on Chuligan z PS or strengthen more on Titus z PS. We'll see.


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 Post subject: Re: dargo and grim
Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:24 am 
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Hans wrote:
I personally believe that we should be more worry about not so excellent dogs in our pedigrees.


Excellent point, Hans !


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 Post subject: Re: dargo and grim
Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:13 pm 
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All dogs have good and bad recessives....all dogs!!! Too much, too close, of any dog in a pedigree, will entrench the bad recessives just like it does the good....at least that has been my experience.


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 Post subject: Re: dargo and grim
Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:41 pm 
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Aaykay here you are:
Chuligan z Pohranicni Straze
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_-yimLM4tg
Titus z Pohranicni Straze:
http://nylastitus.blogspot.com/

I like them both very very much! Excellent dogs!

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